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saxby chambliss, marco rubio, lindsey graham. patty murray. a leader of the party's left wing. she's saying, basically, look, the cliff to me for politics and substance is not the worst deal in the world. it's a terrible deal if we can't get those tax hikes. again, if we can't win this fight now and change that discussion, let's go over the cliff. i'm kind of watching her to see what she says. because it kind of tells you how the president and his team are communicating with the democrats and what the negotiating room is going to be on entitlements. >> nick, thanks so much for that insight. >> thank you guys. >>> next, mitt at the white house? don't be alarmed. he's just having lunch with the president. too bad the president already ate his lunch. >> oh! >> how we think that conversation went as "the cycle" rolls on for thursday, november 29th. we're at walmart with the simmons family. how much is your current phone bill? four sixteen seventy six a month! okay, come with me -- we're gonna save you money. with straight talk at walmart, you get unlimited talk, text and data for o
saxby chambliss, marco rubio, lindsey graham. patty murray. a leader of the party's left wing. she's saying, basically, look, the cliff to me for politics and substance is not the worst deal in the world. it's a terrible deal if we can't get those tax hikes. again, if we can't win this fight now and change that discussion, let's go over the cliff. i'm kind of watching her to see what she says. because it kind of tells you how the president and his team are communicating with the democrats and...
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graham. she makes less than $85,000. her monthly medicare premium is $115. her wealthier neighbors already pay up to $254 more per honesty because they make more than $58,000 a year. new changes could make them pay even more. since nearly every senior is or will use medicare, these changes could affect tens of millions of people. >> what happens if we go off the fiscal cliff? >> it comes to the white coats, the doctors. that's one thing to watch here. because the doctors, the money they get from medicare, that could go down almost 30%. the result, fitch says medicare recipients would have even lower access to doctors, hospitals, and the industry overall would also see a severe negative effect as money coming into the industry, that goes down. this is the number of medicare recipients they expect to thk by some 20 million in the next decade. >> and we heard from chris van hollen, he is against raising the age of eligibility. so lots still to be decided. but thanks for helping us with that. that will wrap up this hour of jansing and company. thomas roberts is
graham. she makes less than $85,000. her monthly medicare premium is $115. her wealthier neighbors already pay up to $254 more per honesty because they make more than $58,000 a year. new changes could make them pay even more. since nearly every senior is or will use medicare, these changes could affect tens of millions of people. >> what happens if we go off the fiscal cliff? >> it comes to the white coats, the doctors. that's one thing to watch here. because the doctors, the money...
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the graham, mccain, ayotte meeting did not go well, and they are kind of leading the charge on the benghazi questions. it wasn't expected to go really great, but the next meeting with susan collins, the senator who stood by her side in her nomination for u.n. ambassador, also did not go well. and susanlly a vote that i think the white house is counting onto get confirmation. they need five republicans to side with democrats to get that nomination through, let alone any republican that could put a hold on the nomination if it's announced. so i think the white house is making a calculation now and really counting numbers before this decision is made. martha: i mean, as you point out the susan collins meeting has to raise questions for them at the white house. the president, at least in every public way possible has shown a lot of support for her, and it real any some ways comes down to the question of whether or not he feels very emboldened by the election and believes that this benghazi thing is something that is going to go away. they have to make that calculation, because she will be grill
the graham, mccain, ayotte meeting did not go well, and they are kind of leading the charge on the benghazi questions. it wasn't expected to go really great, but the next meeting with susan collins, the senator who stood by her side in her nomination for u.n. ambassador, also did not go well. and susanlly a vote that i think the white house is counting onto get confirmation. they need five republicans to side with democrats to get that nomination through, let alone any republican that could put...
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and following getting hammered after she met with john mccain and lindsey graham, of course, yesterday susan collins of all people came out. when you lose susan collins -- >> you've got a problem. it is no is surprise that john mccain lindsey graham and kelly ayotte would come out strong against susan rice and say essentially that they would try to block her confirmation if her nomination happens. it is much more of a surprise to hear susan collins referred to on capitol hill as one of the moderate republicans who is gettable on big votes like this. instead, what we heard is susan collins saying no, i'm not won over yet. you need to explain more about what happened both in benghazi and what happened in the aftermath of benghazi and that is a real problem. yesterday, we were talking about this earlier but yesterday was the first time that i heard democrats on the hill and we can ask senator about this but the first time we heard them say whoa, we don't think we have the votes to confirm sunnies a rice if we -- susan rice if we lose susan collins and other republicans like her. >> bill:
and following getting hammered after she met with john mccain and lindsey graham, of course, yesterday susan collins of all people came out. when you lose susan collins -- >> you've got a problem. it is no is surprise that john mccain lindsey graham and kelly ayotte would come out strong against susan rice and say essentially that they would try to block her confirmation if her nomination happens. it is much more of a surprise to hear susan collins referred to on capitol hill as one of...
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graham isn't going far enough. congressman tom cole, another republican, is willing to see what people wants. is this starting to crack? are we seeing a trend? >> democrats have passed the budget control act which cut spending by nearly $1 billion. with he were willing to support a compromise that would further reduce spending in exchange for revenues from the rich. we have already agreed to compromise and we agree we have to reduce debt and we have agreed to spending cuts. we will not negotiate the end to medicare. we will negotiate reforms and improvements to medicare. we will not negotiate the end of medicare. i don't know what it is with these republicans, why they are so obsessed with asking senior citizens on medicare to be the very first to sacrifice the most. we ought to be looking at other priorities first. >> congressman, we asked the question a lot about the white house holding their ground. what about boehner, what if he gives in on this issue? what do you think that does to him politically? does it enh
graham isn't going far enough. congressman tom cole, another republican, is willing to see what people wants. is this starting to crack? are we seeing a trend? >> democrats have passed the budget control act which cut spending by nearly $1 billion. with he were willing to support a compromise that would further reduce spending in exchange for revenues from the rich. we have already agreed to compromise and we agree we have to reduce debt and we have agreed to spending cuts. we will not...
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following their face-to-face with rice yesterday republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham and kelly ayotte announced they were more troubled than ever. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign. >> eliot: but president obama stood up for rice today during his first post-election cabinet meeting when asked about the ambassador's reception on the hill. >> obama: sue an rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done at the usun. >> joining me now is pj crowley who served under both presidents clinton and obama. he's now a professor at george washington university. thanks for your wisdom. >> hi, eliot. >> eliot: the reception that ambassador rice is getting on the hill is almost unprecedented unprecedented. i don't remember an u.s. diplomat being roughed up this way, is there a historical metaphor for this? >> not recently. i think in terms of the senate interfering, if you want to say that, you have to go back to john tower
following their face-to-face with rice yesterday republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham and kelly ayotte announced they were more troubled than ever. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign. >> eliot: but president obama stood up for rice today during his first post-election cabinet meeting when asked about the ambassador's...
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it's just a simple question about john mccain and lindsey graham and john mccain and lindsey graham, do you think they are crazy and you can answer yes or maybe. >> what i believe is that susan rice is an incredible person with a great deal of intelligence and integrity and n ought to be taken r for her word. i think it's really unfortunate for her. >> i don't think senators are crazy in my experience, so i've been theorizing this is about opening up the secretary of state job for john kerry, so if they then reopen a massachusetts senate seat r for scott brown. is that your sense of the game that's being played? >> i have no idea. you are much more mcvalue yan thinking than am. >>> coming up, we'll find out about ari melber and guess who's coming to dinner? mitt romney's last chance to get into the white house is coming up. >>> what could they have to talk about? maybe they can reminisce about their days at harvard law coschl where the president was president of the law review and mitt romney wasn't. mitt romney's trip to the white house tomorrow where barack obama is president and m
it's just a simple question about john mccain and lindsey graham and john mccain and lindsey graham, do you think they are crazy and you can answer yes or maybe. >> what i believe is that susan rice is an incredible person with a great deal of intelligence and integrity and n ought to be taken r for her word. i think it's really unfortunate for her. >> i don't think senators are crazy in my experience, so i've been theorizing this is about opening up the secretary of state job for...
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yesterday by the three republicans she met with because they had been among her harshest critics, senators graham and mccain. today's meeting was different because she met with a republican who was among the remaining centerist republicans in the senate -- one of the most likely to throw susan rice a lifeline. it didn't happen. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign. >> reporter: after meeting with rice for more than an hour, collins emerged questioning her judgment in giving the public what turned out to be incorrect information in the days after the deadly attack in benghazi. and the main republican was lukewarm about the prospect of rice as secretary of state. if president obama were to nominate susan rice to be the next secretary of state, could you support that nomination? >> i would need to have additional information before i could support her nomination. >> reporter: collins has gone out of her way to support rice in the past. even introducing rice
yesterday by the three republicans she met with because they had been among her harshest critics, senators graham and mccain. today's meeting was different because she met with a republican who was among the remaining centerist republicans in the senate -- one of the most likely to throw susan rice a lifeline. it didn't happen. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential...
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i just interviewed lindsey graham who was in that meeting who is very baffled and very perplexed that somebody as high-ranking as the cia director, acting cia director would tell them something about an issue that is so controversial and such a political -- so politically controversial that is absolutely wrong. >> a lot of unanswered questions, a lotf concerns there and obviously very controversial. whether or not this moves forward, the potential nomination for susan rice. dana, excellent reporting, as always. of course, we're going to check back in with you as you continue to meet with members of congress. i want to talk about something that senator collins talked about, her concerns about the readiness of susan rice, given that she was assistant secretary for african affairs in the bombing of east africa of 1998. i spoke with our national security analyst, peter bergen, about whether or not that was even relevant. here's how he responded. >> two embassies were bombed by al qaeda, one simultaneously killing many. senator collins is certainly correct that at the time the ambassador t
i just interviewed lindsey graham who was in that meeting who is very baffled and very perplexed that somebody as high-ranking as the cia director, acting cia director would tell them something about an issue that is so controversial and such a political -- so politically controversial that is absolutely wrong. >> a lot of unanswered questions, a lotf concerns there and obviously very controversial. whether or not this moves forward, the potential nomination for susan rice. dana,...
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on such an attack, such shaky ground, is it completely irrational what they're doing with ayotte and graham and mccain coming out to talk about the fact that they're meeting with ambassador rice leaves them scratching their heads and with more questions? of course people want more answers to what happened in benghazi, but it's not up to ambassador rice. she's not fronting the investigation. >> no, but she's been part of that team that went on those sunday shows to talk act those issues to say it was a video that caused this. whether it was the talking points or the intelligence, she's the one in front of the tv cameras that said this. this is an audition to be the country's top diplomat. she's going into a hostile group, we would want her to have a better relationship after, not worse. she had three senators she knew she wasn't in a great relationship with. they seemed to be more open to her over the weekend. she went into a meeting and made it worse. regardless of what you think about susan rice -- >> were they really going to listen to her and come out and be, like, oh, god, we love susan
on such an attack, such shaky ground, is it completely irrational what they're doing with ayotte and graham and mccain coming out to talk about the fact that they're meeting with ambassador rice leaves them scratching their heads and with more questions? of course people want more answers to what happened in benghazi, but it's not up to ambassador rice. she's not fronting the investigation. >> no, but she's been part of that team that went on those sunday shows to talk act those issues to...
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jon, on sunday, it looked like some of the senators, graham and mccain, had softened their opposition. but not after the meeting yesterday. what went wrong in that room? >> reporter: once again, they clashed over what rice said about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. in the days after the attack. sources in the meeting said that rice started off by acknowledging that some of what she said was not true. but she presented evidence that that came directly from the cia, everything that she said. the senators responded by accusing both her and the cia of shading it for political reasons. rice, as you can imagine, forcefully denied that. and, george, so did the acting cia director, who was with her in the meeting. the republican senators just didn't buy it. >> jon, the white house insists president obama has not made the decision to nominate ambassador rice for secretary of state. but they also say that this opposition isn't going to make any difference in that decision. >> reporter: they've been consistent in saying that. and rice herself has told people she had no idea
jon, on sunday, it looked like some of the senators, graham and mccain, had softened their opposition. but not after the meeting yesterday. what went wrong in that room? >> reporter: once again, they clashed over what rice said about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. in the days after the attack. sources in the meeting said that rice started off by acknowledging that some of what she said was not true. but she presented evidence that that came directly from the cia,...
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. >> reporter: both senator kelly ayotte and senator lindsey graham threatened to block rice's nomination. rice did persuade one senator. >> she said what she believed was true, and she was under no political influence from the white house. >> reporter: but joe lieberman is quitting the senate and won't have a vote rice and president obama are closer than he and the iconic hillary clinton. the president has made it clear he will fight for rice and tuesday the white house was not backing down. >> the focus on, some might say obsession on comments made on sunday shows, seems to me and to many to be misplaced. >> reporter: one veteran former diplomat says rice should not be made a scapegoat for doing her job. >> she was simply representing the viewpoint of an entire administration, and many of us have been in positions of defending administrations, republican and democrat in the past. >> reporter: and there's still another problem now. the acting cia director who accompanied rice late tuesday acknowledged that he had misspoken during his morning meeting with the three senators only add toget
. >> reporter: both senator kelly ayotte and senator lindsey graham threatened to block rice's nomination. rice did persuade one senator. >> she said what she believed was true, and she was under no political influence from the white house. >> reporter: but joe lieberman is quitting the senate and won't have a vote rice and president obama are closer than he and the iconic hillary clinton. the president has made it clear he will fight for rice and tuesday the white house was...
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lindsey graham standing up and saying, she shouldn't have said anything. do you think they would have been screaming cover up? >> caller: i want to make one comment. i know darn well before the meeting with susan rice, i betcha anything john mccain said no matter what happens no matter what she says, we're troubled. >> stephanie: i think they set her up. they said, we're willing to listen and softening on her. they set her up so she'll come and talk to them. and then they open it up again. >> and they made sure they were closed door meetings so you wouldn't know what susan rice said, and they come at her any way. >> we're nor troubled now than before. well what did she say? >> stephanie: go ahead. >> caller: i thought it was a set up. even if she said something really good, remember our lines are going to be we're still very troubled about what she said. that will make the americans worried thinking we'll hand her the problem. they want to make it look like they're handling her and i don't think she deserves it. we should stick up for her. >> stephanie: th
lindsey graham standing up and saying, she shouldn't have said anything. do you think they would have been screaming cover up? >> caller: i want to make one comment. i know darn well before the meeting with susan rice, i betcha anything john mccain said no matter what happens no matter what she says, we're troubled. >> stephanie: i think they set her up. they said, we're willing to listen and softening on her. they set her up so she'll come and talk to them. and then they open it up...
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bill: that was behind sa -- that was lindsey graham. you are on the record saying you will not support her if she is nominated for secretary of state. but not just because of libya. what is the problem. >> let me clarify that. my first thought is what if susan rice was thrown under the bus and they all knew she didn't have the information from the cia. then i thought you would have to feel sorry for her. since yesterday talking to some of those to whom she talked i'm convinced in my mind that she is part of the coverup, she knew all the time the cia information that was given to her. but your point is very good. i could not support her in the secretary of state if she is nominated. bill: give me a reason why. >> she is on the wrong side of the membership of the u.n. palestinian authority. she is on the opposite side of where i am. she has kept on funding you necessary cowhich is in violation of instructions given to her through law. she is on the opposite side of every issue that i am. for that reason i would have opposed her anyway. bi
bill: that was behind sa -- that was lindsey graham. you are on the record saying you will not support her if she is nominated for secretary of state. but not just because of libya. what is the problem. >> let me clarify that. my first thought is what if susan rice was thrown under the bus and they all knew she didn't have the information from the cia. then i thought you would have to feel sorry for her. since yesterday talking to some of those to whom she talked i'm convinced in my mind...
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senator graham said that he's even got more -- he's more disturbed than he was before. since we know now that the intelligence was flawed, and that they -- cia altered the talking points, the president has said he takes responsibility, secretary of state clinton has said she takes responsibility. what do you think is, is actually going on here? >> well, unfortunately, it's become entirely too personal when it comes to ambassador rice. i spoke to her last week. i was in new york and spoke to her on the phone, and we talked about the fact that she was given an intelligence report which she dutifully reported to the public as she was told. and now what i hear from some of my republican colleagues, they're not only blaming her for this intelligence report, they're trying to blame her for the actual tragic event. >> personal why? >> -- unfair. >> personal means some kind of relationship or something has gone wrong. >> we just keep focusing on ambassador rice. >> why? >> there is a larger question -- well, frankly i think they believe she's vulnerable politically. at least th
senator graham said that he's even got more -- he's more disturbed than he was before. since we know now that the intelligence was flawed, and that they -- cia altered the talking points, the president has said he takes responsibility, secretary of state clinton has said she takes responsibility. what do you think is, is actually going on here? >> well, unfortunately, it's become entirely too personal when it comes to ambassador rice. i spoke to her last week. i was in new york and spoke...
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pat says mccain, graham, shut your damn mouths. quit compromising american security. >> yes. >> honey bear kelly who has the best name on twitter says -- we were saying one of the issues -- >> bill: is that honey bear kelly ayotte? >> no. not honey bear kelly ayotte. we were saying one of the issues would be if obama was to appoint john kerry then scott brown might weasel his way back into the senate. honey bear kelly says scott brown just lost an election. does anyone think he can win one now? that's a valid point. he's a loser. >> bill: what do you think of the campaign against susan rice? >> i have found it incredibly offensive. you are talking about a rhodes scholar, somebody who has 20 plus years in the diplomatic corps. also what that person tweeted. we're in the middle of major international issues. she's dealing with syria gaza, the congo. she's still our representative to the united nations. so while we're talking this foolishness about her appearance on a tv talk show, what signal is that sending to the rest of the world?
pat says mccain, graham, shut your damn mouths. quit compromising american security. >> yes. >> honey bear kelly who has the best name on twitter says -- we were saying one of the issues -- >> bill: is that honey bear kelly ayotte? >> no. not honey bear kelly ayotte. we were saying one of the issues would be if obama was to appoint john kerry then scott brown might weasel his way back into the senate. honey bear kelly says scott brown just lost an election. does anyone...
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it was with senators lindsey graham and kelly ayotte and john mccain. >> they were upset. john mccain over the weekend backed up a little. >> he backed up. >> which is really cool. she went up and said i'm sorry. >> she did the brave thing and went right in there and said i want to address this. >> how did that work? >> she talked about her initial account of the attack. she explained to them that she was relying on faulty intelligence, faulty talking points from the intelligence communities. >> and they said? >> they said, you know what, we still don't get it. >> go to video. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american people was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed than i was before. if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> i am more troubled today knowing, having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice.
it was with senators lindsey graham and kelly ayotte and john mccain. >> they were upset. john mccain over the weekend backed up a little. >> he backed up. >> which is really cool. she went up and said i'm sorry. >> she did the brave thing and went right in there and said i want to address this. >> how did that work? >> she talked about her initial account of the attack. she explained to them that she was relying on faulty intelligence, faulty talking points...
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mccain and graham and ayote and why are yoa acquiescing . they are flabber gasted after the meeting. we got nothing out of this and i have more questions than before and at 4:00 playing to your point with the cia placed a call and they came out and said acting director morell stated that the cia now says that it deleted the al-qaida references and not the f.b.i.. so they were unable to give a reason why. and they can't get it straight on who deleted the references to an al-qaida inspired attack. >> steve: the head of the cia said the f.b.i. did it and had to walk it back . the cia call would and said it was not the f.b.i., it was us sorry and we can explain why we did it? >> gretchen: and why is the big question here. in my mind it is politics and in my mind, we may never know. why two people know the real story, president barack obama and secretary of state hillary clinton and how are we going to get answers from them? we talked about it weeks. >> brian: her testimony is coming to capitol hill. >> gretchen: how do you get the president beca
mccain and graham and ayote and why are yoa acquiescing . they are flabber gasted after the meeting. we got nothing out of this and i have more questions than before and at 4:00 playing to your point with the cia placed a call and they came out and said acting director morell stated that the cia now says that it deleted the al-qaida references and not the f.b.i.. so they were unable to give a reason why. and they can't get it straight on who deleted the references to an al-qaida inspired...
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rice had requested a meeting with senators lindsey graham, john mccain and kelly ayotte. >> how did that go? >> it didn't go well. after they accused of ambassador of misleading the country, rice reiterated that she relied on faulty talking points from the intelligence community. but the senators still were not satisfied. >> we are significantly troubled pie ma by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american people was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before. if you didn't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> i'm more troubled today knowing having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice. clearly the impression that was given, the forgiven to the american people, was wrong. ambassador rice said today absolutely it was wrong.forgive american people, was wrong. ambassador rice said today absolutely it was wrong. >> ambassador rice wasn't able to persu
rice had requested a meeting with senators lindsey graham, john mccain and kelly ayotte. >> how did that go? >> it didn't go well. after they accused of ambassador of misleading the country, rice reiterated that she relied on faulty talking points from the intelligence community. but the senators still were not satisfied. >> we are significantly troubled pie ma by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the...
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. >> senators graham and mccain are now more concerned than before they met with ambassador rice and are not willing still to consider her as secretary of state. >>> three mid-level managers at the garment factory that went up in flames in bangladesh are under arrest. they are accused of locking the main gate of the factory after the inferno broke out saturday. that fire killed more than 100 workers and injured more than 150 other people. several thousand people are mourning and protesting near that factory. >>> a deadly double car bombing in syria this morning. at least 29 people were killed in the blast that happened just outside the capital of damascus. a syrian human rights group says the death toll is expected to rise due to the number of people injured in the bombings. >>> also new this morning, an audit from afghanistan finds rampant corruption in the kabul bank. it is a depository for u.s. reconstruction dollars. "the new york times" report the audit concludes the bank is a ponzi scheme allowing those connected to president karzai access to hundreds of millions of dollars. >>
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from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey graham. also joining him was senator joe lieberman. today sh after meeting with ambassador rice, joe lieberman chose not to join the baseless criticism of ambassador rice. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your understand
from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey...
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first the lead story, three republican senators, mccain from arizona, graham from south carolina, and ayotte from new hampshire, met with u.n. ambassador susan rice today. remember ambassador rice misled the world how christopher stevens was murdered in benghazi on 9-11. the senators wanted to hear her explanation because she might be nominated as secretary of state. the meeting did not go well because the issue of initially ignoring the terrorist involvement was not explained by dr. rice. >> as i understand it, the explanation is that that was being withheld, the al-qaeda involvement was -- that point of the talking points was being withheld for classified reasons, but i also explored didn't you question that because that left, if you were to omit that portion, it leaves a very different impression to the american people and frankly, i didn't get a satisfactory answer to that. >> bill: joining us from washington to react, fox news analyst charles krauthammer. so bigger mess now than it's ever been. here is my assessment based on what happened today. i'm going to go on the record. thi
first the lead story, three republican senators, mccain from arizona, graham from south carolina, and ayotte from new hampshire, met with u.n. ambassador susan rice today. remember ambassador rice misled the world how christopher stevens was murdered in benghazi on 9-11. the senators wanted to hear her explanation because she might be nominated as secretary of state. the meeting did not go well because the issue of initially ignoring the terrorist involvement was not explained by dr. rice....
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>> well, one of the things that senator graham said today was that he wants more of the investigation -- the information to come out. the fbi agents who had interviewed survivors of the attack. and he wants to know more information before he says he would be willing to elevate somebody who was involved in any part of this controversy. i do think that susan rice is not really the one that i am personally most concerned about. just as a. >> reporter: trying to find out the truth. the state department itself and susan rice is part of it but not really involved in deciding why they didn't get adequate security who did what in terms of trying to help the people who were pinned down. that seems to be more of a c.i.a. question. those are the people i really want to find out more about. >> eliot: i think that's exactly right. there are a myriad of legitimate questions that should be asked about the information through the decision making but it seems to me susan rice is the least informed, least interesting party here and that's why trying to take her hostage in effect at a moment where she m
>> well, one of the things that senator graham said today was that he wants more of the investigation -- the information to come out. the fbi agents who had interviewed survivors of the attack. and he wants to know more information before he says he would be willing to elevate somebody who was involved in any part of this controversy. i do think that susan rice is not really the one that i am personally most concerned about. just as a. >> reporter: trying to find out the truth. the...
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you've got lindsey graham trying to say something happened in this meeting to make the situation worse. what could that have been? >> well, from talking to a top official in the white house and to senator mccain, behind closed doors, the meeting wasn't as contentious as those statements after ward made it sound. at least as regard to ambassador rice. i think both sides agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked about the timeline of what happened in benghazi. about the state of knowledge at the time, about security protections and so forth, but as far as holding ambassador rice personally accountable for the incomplete and in some cases wrong story she gave on five different shows that sunday, i don't think that behind closed doors the republican senators were going after her personally. they came out afterwards and made it sound like the grave matter it was involving her. i don't think that's where they're at behind closed doors. >> let's listen to president obama on november 14th. about the senator's attacks on ambassador rice. >> when they go after the u.n. ambassador, ap
you've got lindsey graham trying to say something happened in this meeting to make the situation worse. what could that have been? >> well, from talking to a top official in the white house and to senator mccain, behind closed doors, the meeting wasn't as contentious as those statements after ward made it sound. at least as regard to ambassador rice. i think both sides agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked about the timeline of what happened in benghazi. about the state of...
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. >>> then senators john mccain and lindsey graham say they have even more questions after u.n. ambassador susan rice tries to clear the air on benghazi. >>> and black friday shoppers bust another republican myth about this obama economy. david johnson will set the record straight. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're right back. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama can and should rely on labor to bolster his position in the fiscal cliff negotiations. labor is a major ally in protecting the middle class. today senior white house officials met privately with representatives of labor and other progressive groups. and attendees of the meeting say they were encouraged. one said, t
. >>> then senators john mccain and lindsey graham say they have even more questions after u.n. ambassador susan rice tries to clear the air on benghazi. >>> and black friday shoppers bust another republican myth about this obama economy. david johnson will set the record straight. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're right back. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common....
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already, anyway, ok, so mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayat were not happy with how things went. in order to explain how all this went down, we need a political correspondent, not a mini guy political correspondent, one that is absolutely epic. >> sadly, i haven't been a mini guy for a while. >> cenk: you and the me both, brother. tell me what happened today. >> you alluded to it. joe lieberman has to be very jealous, he was one of the three amigos. all three senators spoke today with susan rice. we start here with john mccain, you remember him he ran for president, cenk. >> it is clear that the information that you gave the american people was incorrect when she said that it was a spontaneous demon station triggered by a hate group. >> that's what rice said today. absolutely it was wrong. >> here's what i can tell you. the american people got bad information on 16 september. they got bad information from president obama days after, and the question is should they have been given the information at all. >> oh, senator graham, mccain and ayat. >> look, is there any chance they wou
already, anyway, ok, so mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayat were not happy with how things went. in order to explain how all this went down, we need a political correspondent, not a mini guy political correspondent, one that is absolutely epic. >> sadly, i haven't been a mini guy for a while. >> cenk: you and the me both, brother. tell me what happened today. >> you alluded to it. joe lieberman has to be very jealous, he was one of the three amigos. all three senators...
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it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmurch her reputation is outrageous. when they gt after the u.n. ambassador apparently because they think she's an easy target, then they've got a problem with me. >> so, first of all, bes is suhsh is great word. prior to that press conference i was am bif lent to secretary of state. i like john kerry and sue glan rice. after i saul the president go to bat for her and point out how outrageous these attacks on her having, i am more inclined to want to see susan rice in that position, which also leads me to the conclusion. john mccain, if his ultimate goem w
it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on...
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what senator lindsey graham said after the meeting. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before, that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think, does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> dana bash following developments on capitol hill. before susan rice went before these republicans, senators, they seemed to be backing away from criticizing her. now it looks like in speaking with them, this is backfired. can you tell us what happened? >> reporter: that's right. i was told by a source familiar with this meeting that the reason why the senators backed off public comments, softened them, they did, susan rice requested a meeting and felt that was the most appropriate thing to do not keep pounding her before they could talk face-to-face. you're absolutely right. by all accounts it did not go well inside that meeting held in a classified setting, i should tell you, with the acting director of the cia. listen to what john mccain said, one of the chief critic
what senator lindsey graham said after the meeting. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before, that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think, does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> dana bash following developments on capitol hill. before susan rice went before these republicans, senators, they seemed to be backing away from criticizing her. now...
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over the week, i watched lindsey graham on the sunday show. and when he compared this to iran contra which was crimes, felonies, as opposed to susan rice who has said she was given bad information she repeated it and, you know, it's -- and to compare these two, it's just really bizarre. >> joe, were there two different lanes being run here? one to maybe discredit susan rice and any potential nomination she might receive to the president's cabinet to replace secretary of state hillary clinton? but then also to make this reference to some type of cover-up happening prior to the reelection? >> well, certainly, they're trying to do both of those things. but in combining them, i think they're weakening any political attack they have. now what they've done is they've made what happened in benghazi a referendum on susan rice, where now when you look at the facts susan has come and explained where -- what she knew and how the statements were made. and that's been cleared up. and what's getting obscured here are the real questions about benghazi. so as
over the week, i watched lindsey graham on the sunday show. and when he compared this to iran contra which was crimes, felonies, as opposed to susan rice who has said she was given bad information she repeated it and, you know, it's -- and to compare these two, it's just really bizarre. >> joe, were there two different lanes being run here? one to maybe discredit susan rice and any potential nomination she might receive to the president's cabinet to replace secretary of state hillary...
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she's meeting not just with john mccain but with lindsey graham. both said they would do anything in their power to stop her nomination. but with this meeting coming up, they have softened that a bit. but far short of saying they would support her for secretary of state. >>> now, to a recommendation by the nation's leading group of pediatricians that's sure to be controversial. the american academy of pediatrics is saying that doctors should prescribe morning-after pills to girls under 17, before they need them, just in case they risk becoming pregnant in the future. let's bring in our medical editor, dr. richard besser. let's talk about the specifics of the recommendation. what's changed? what's stayed the same? >> what hasn't changed. by law, in all 50 states, a girl younger than 17, needs to have a prescription to get the morning-after pill. what changed is the academy of pediatrics has told pediatricians, don't wait until a emergency. describe it to your girls right now. >> a lot of the pros and cons. what are the pros and cons? >> we have the
she's meeting not just with john mccain but with lindsey graham. both said they would do anything in their power to stop her nomination. but with this meeting coming up, they have softened that a bit. but far short of saying they would support her for secretary of state. >>> now, to a recommendation by the nation's leading group of pediatricians that's sure to be controversial. the american academy of pediatrics is saying that doctors should prescribe morning-after pills to girls under...
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we saw the arrival of senators mccain and graham and kelly ayotte. they say they can serious problems as she characterized the assault as spontaneous and blamed an anti-islam video for the death of four americans. >> the best assessment we have today is this was not a preplanned premeditated attack. it was a spontaneous reaction to what had transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. >> reporter: she said she relied on the best available intelligence. they say that is simply not the case she had access to talking points and the classified information, as i heard from senator mccain that classified intelligence showing strong evidence within days of the attack, specifically by september 14th that there was no demonstration at the consulate when the attack unfolded, bill. bill: we mentioned john mccain. who else is at this meeting, catherine. >> reporter: one of the most interesting developments this morning is that in addition to rice and the senators the acting director of the cia mike mo remember, l will -lts be at th will also be at the meet
we saw the arrival of senators mccain and graham and kelly ayotte. they say they can serious problems as she characterized the assault as spontaneous and blamed an anti-islam video for the death of four americans. >> the best assessment we have today is this was not a preplanned premeditated attack. it was a spontaneous reaction to what had transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. >> reporter: she said she relied on the best available intelligence. they say that is simply...
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ambassador susan rice is meeting with senators john mccain lindsey graham and kelly iop. they have been critical of her remarks in the aftermath of benghazi. she described that as a spontaneous attack based on the in tell she had from the intelligence community. there could be some substance to the plan that president obama plans to nominate her for secretary of state. she will meet with other lawmakers later this week. president obama has been unwaiving in his support of her calling republican attacks on her outrageous. >> according to official announcement, the president of mexico and the president plan to talk about economic development and bored concerns. while there is no second sit down scheduled for the president and congressional leaders he did speak to john boehner and harry reid over the weekend about avoiding the fiscal cliff. the president will meet with small business owners today. tomorrow he meets with middle class americans who would be affected by tax hikes and more business leaders. friday he's going to travel to hatfield pennsylvania where he will give
ambassador susan rice is meeting with senators john mccain lindsey graham and kelly iop. they have been critical of her remarks in the aftermath of benghazi. she described that as a spontaneous attack based on the in tell she had from the intelligence community. there could be some substance to the plan that president obama plans to nominate her for secretary of state. she will meet with other lawmakers later this week. president obama has been unwaiving in his support of her calling republican...
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. >> senator lindsey graham this weekend on nbc. one of several senior republicans who say they will break ranks to reach a deal with the democrats. republican senator johnny isakson joins us this morning and has joined the norquist pledge. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> i don't want to make this a conversation only about grover because that seems to be all people want to talk about. i wonder if senator graham's comments and some others if you're beginning to really sense a turning of the tide here? >> well, first of all, you got to remember we have to talk about comprehensive tax reform and talk about spending cuts and talk about debt and deficit reduction. pulling out an isolated piece like raising rates or taking a mortgage interest deduction or whatever it may be, it doesn't serve a purpose. you have to look at the entire problem. if you don't do that, we're all dead. >> where does norquist fit in? has your own view on the pledge evolved? >> i'm not for increasing tax rates. i'm for reforming the code, raising the base
. >> senator lindsey graham this weekend on nbc. one of several senior republicans who say they will break ranks to reach a deal with the democrats. republican senator johnny isakson joins us this morning and has joined the norquist pledge. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> i don't want to make this a conversation only about grover because that seems to be all people want to talk about. i wonder if senator graham's comments and some others if you're beginning to really...
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second, you talked about lynndie graham's words. we'll have to ask dana again, but will they talk about her role she should have known, not what she said but should she have known more and said something different? >> four americans are dead. in the end, four americans are dead. there should be numerous investigations. we haven't had an american ambassador assassinated since the 1970s. that that happened is horrific. so much of the conversation has been about politics, not about securing -- >> looking forward, this is all about can you stop the president's -- one of his major nominations out of the gate? that's what this is about. >> the questions are right. the mistake is personalizing it on the individual. >>> other stories we're following for you guys, the u.s. military monitoring what it says is increased activity by north korean launch site captured by satellite imagery. no rocket visible on the launch pad. the activity is similar to what went down back in the spring when a north korean rocket blasted off. that rocket, by the w
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go up to the united states senate today and meet with -- she will, meet with john mccain and lindsey graham and a couple of other senators and try to explain herself. she shouldn't have to do that. i think it is embarrassing. kevin is calling from chicago. what do you think kevin? >> caller: hey, how do youing, bill? >> bill: good to hear from you. >> caller: if they were a legitimate news organization, wouldn't you go with the fact -- take whatever your guest says and you go with it. but since everybody knows they're the mouthpiece of the republicans, i find it amusing that they're so inept they don't even see what their guest is going to say. it is like how dumb are they? it just reinforcing the bumper sticker on my car as i drive to work this morning. fox news, the more you watch the less you know. >> bill: i like that! send me one. where did you get it? kevin, it let me tell you doing a lot of tv, making a living at it. whenever you're a guest on program like that, they do what's called a preinterview. they don't tell you the questions they're going to ask but they're going to say here'
go up to the united states senate today and meet with -- she will, meet with john mccain and lindsey graham and a couple of other senators and try to explain herself. she shouldn't have to do that. i think it is embarrassing. kevin is calling from chicago. what do you think kevin? >> caller: hey, how do youing, bill? >> bill: good to hear from you. >> caller: if they were a legitimate news organization, wouldn't you go with the fact -- take whatever your guest says and you go...
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rice will sit down with senators john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayott. in recent days, senator mccain has softened his criticism as rice insists that she was relying on talking points from the intelligence community. last night, senator graham rejecting her defense but says he's open to today's meeting. >> she asked to meet with us and now we'll listen to what she has to say about her role in benghazi. the more i know about benghazi, the more upset i am that the consulate was even open on september 11th. when you look at the history and the reporting coming out of libya about the dangers, it should never have been open or heavily reinforced. after the attack, i think the story we were told about a spontaneous event caused by video where a mob turned into a riot is less credible than ever. >> she reportedly called the meeting. seems like a smart move. what do you think? >> well, i think it's a smart move for john mccain to take the meeting. they're boxed in. this is not a fight they want right now. it was a stupid fight to pick. they put themselves into a
rice will sit down with senators john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayott. in recent days, senator mccain has softened his criticism as rice insists that she was relying on talking points from the intelligence community. last night, senator graham rejecting her defense but says he's open to today's meeting. >> she asked to meet with us and now we'll listen to what she has to say about her role in benghazi. the more i know about benghazi, the more upset i am that the consulate was even...
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rice will sit down with senators john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayotte. >> that should be fun. >> that could be really awkward. they all accuse her of misleading the country in her initial account of the attack. in recent days, senator mccain has softened his criticism, and rice insists that she was relying on talking points from the intelligence community. last night senator graham rejected her defense but says he's open to today's meeting. >> she asked to meet with us, and i will listen to what she has to say about her role in benghazi, but i can tell you this. the more i know about benghazi, the more upset i am that the consulate was even open on september 11th. when you look at the history and the reporting coming out of libya about the dangers, it should never have been open or heavily reinforced. after the attack, i think the story we were told about a spontaneous event caused by video where a mob turned into a riot is less credible than ever. >> smart of her to call the meeting. acting cia director michael morrell will accompany rice during today's meeting, fueling spec
rice will sit down with senators john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayotte. >> that should be fun. >> that could be really awkward. they all accuse her of misleading the country in her initial account of the attack. in recent days, senator mccain has softened his criticism, and rice insists that she was relying on talking points from the intelligence community. last night senator graham rejected her defense but says he's open to today's meeting. >> she asked to meet with...
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john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly a at with her information comments made on several networks that played down the role of terrorists in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. rice maintains she made it clear the intelligence information she had at the time was preliminary. senators have threatened to block her nomination if president obama chooses her to be his next secretary of state. >>> and the obama administration responds to the benghazi attack does not get high marks from americans. the results of a new poll out this morning shows a majority of those questioned, 54%, say they are dissatisfied with the administration's handling of the attack. >>> and the body of yasser arafat was exhumed this morning from a mausoleum in the west bank. a team of international scientists will analyze tissue samples to determine if the former palestinian leader was poisoned to death in 2004, with a radioactive substance. the actual cause of arafat's death has never been determined. >>> the egyptian people taking to the
john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly a at with her information comments made on several networks that played down the role of terrorists in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. rice maintains she made it clear the intelligence information she had at the time was preliminary. senators have threatened to block her nomination if president obama chooses her to be his next secretary of state. >>> and the obama...
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but a lot of your colleagues are saying it, bob corker has said it, lindsay graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more revenue via taxes, close loopholes, however you do it, that isn't revenue neutral. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of stabilizing our revenue stream. >> okay, but do you have frustration with grover norquist in such an absolutist definition of revenue neutral. because if over time, it could mean you're never raising more revenue, revenue could not go up. he's put you in a difficult position. does it frustrate you? >> no. look, my pledge wasn't to any one individual. the pledge that i made was to my constituents, the voters in utah who elected me and found it significant that i was
but a lot of your colleagues are saying it, bob corker has said it, lindsay graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more revenue via taxes, close loopholes, however you do it, that isn't revenue neutral. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an...
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but as senator lindsey graham says, rejecting the pledge comes with strings attached. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so get out the gun and hold it to our head, right? both democrat and republican w lawmakers are giving the impression that a deal can be reached as long as there are cuts near and dear to a lot of americans, medicare and medicaid. david plouffe's comments give credence to that idea. progressive lawmakers are thinking i thought we had the election. bernie sanders from vermont has spoken about the need to protect programs for the middle class. he released this statement to the ed show tonight what david plouffe has state concerns me deeply despite his assertions the american people have been clear both through their votes in the election and in poll after poll after poll at a time when the middle class is disappearing and the number of people living in poverty is at an all-time high. the american people have demanded there be no cuts to the social security, medicare medicaid and th
but as senator lindsey graham says, rejecting the pledge comes with strings attached. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so get out the gun and hold it to our head, right? both democrat and republican w lawmakers are giving the impression that a deal can be reached as long as there are cuts near and dear to a lot of americans, medicare and medicaid. david plouffe's comments give credence to...
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but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and on the entitlement side and as long as there are two parties that are willing to solve this problem, this is a very easy thing to do technically. what it takes is political courage. >> guess what? that political courage doesn't include ding, ding, ding, higher tack rates for the top 2%. but don't pay any attention to that. republicans want us to know that what's really important is that they are rejecting the norquist pledge. >> the lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you, when i go to the constituents that re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really
but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and...
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>> brian: john mccain and lindsey graham would be crazy to say we'll listen to her side of the story. not what she is about. chance to speak up. peter king nailed it. the intel community might have given you papers and a talking point. no excuse not to use your inquisitiveness and find out answers on your own. the world is in new york city. what do you read on this? for the last five days i get this is al-qaeda. i'm not going to go throughout and make myself look bad -- >> eric: why are the senators pulling back? >> dana: i have a reason. i don't know this for sure. gut instinct. if you read carl cannon of real clear politics, straight down the middle guy, touching on your thing how bizarre the story is and how they slid past it. i doesn't pass the smell test. i think the reason that the republican senators can back off if that is what they're doing is last week, national liberal columnist came out and said it's not just the benghazi thing. forget about that. she does not deserve a promotion based on performance. if you have that, then if you have that on the left, on the right you ca
>> brian: john mccain and lindsey graham would be crazy to say we'll listen to her side of the story. not what she is about. chance to speak up. peter king nailed it. the intel community might have given you papers and a talking point. no excuse not to use your inquisitiveness and find out answers on your own. the world is in new york city. what do you read on this? for the last five days i get this is al-qaeda. i'm not going to go throughout and make myself look bad -- >> eric: why...
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that isn't feasible now including oklahoma senator coburn, arizona's john mccain, south carolina's graham, idaho's crapo, tennessee's alexander, and georgia's sam bliss. it is not that they have all become antipledge, more like, well, antisweeping pledge. particularly the party of that pledge that called for resisting any move to end any tax break. to hear georgia's chambliss, too rigid, too inflexible, noting times have changed significantly, and i care more about my country than i do about a to-year-old pledge. if so, so what now? norquist in a second, to bob on republicans increasingly happy to make grover the grinch. what do we make of this? what is going on? >>guest: republicans lost the election. it was about tax policy. most republicans want to get a deal they have to give something up. they will want something in run so if they bend on taxes they will want an entitlement reform, so, that is the rub, but, republicans do not want to raise the rates with you they want to eliminate the tax loopholes and bay down the debt. that would break grover's pledge. >>neil: i have the pledge, so
that isn't feasible now including oklahoma senator coburn, arizona's john mccain, south carolina's graham, idaho's crapo, tennessee's alexander, and georgia's sam bliss. it is not that they have all become antipledge, more like, well, antisweeping pledge. particularly the party of that pledge that called for resisting any move to end any tax break. to hear georgia's chambliss, too rigid, too inflexible, noting times have changed significantly, and i care more about my country than i do about a...
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or so where he gave a full-throated defense of her and said to both senators john mccain and lindsey graham, don't go after her. if you have an issue with someone, come after me. and so that's the clearest indication yet that susan rice is probably at the top of the nomination heap. >> indeed. jonathan capehart, lynn sweet, thank you both. >> thank you. >>> next, want to avoid holiday traffic, daily commutes, and offices altogether? run for congress. stay with us. with verizon. this monday online only. get the droid razr by motorola in cranberry, free. or a white 7-inch samsung galaxy tab 2, just $99.99. this holiday, get the best deals on the best devices on the best network. exclusively at verizon. >>> after a brief break for thanksgiving, the majority of americans made the trudge first back home and then back to work this morning, but this did not include our esteemed elected members of capitol hill. oh, no. with an urgent need to address the fiscal cliff, support our economic recovery and consider the unrest in the middle east, congress has the day off. in fact, the house has spent just
or so where he gave a full-throated defense of her and said to both senators john mccain and lindsey graham, don't go after her. if you have an issue with someone, come after me. and so that's the clearest indication yet that susan rice is probably at the top of the nomination heap. >> indeed. jonathan capehart, lynn sweet, thank you both. >> thank you. >>> next, want to avoid holiday traffic, daily commutes, and offices altogether? run for congress. stay with us. with...
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i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifting a bit here? >> i think so. i mean, to have these two senators who, you know, for the last year or so, even before the 2012 election, people were talking about a possible primary challenge, and to have chambliss and graham both go out front and say listen, the pledge isn't that important to me, that is -- that could, number one, trigger a primary contest and, remember, republicans have eaten -- dick lugar lost an election -- a primary election. senator snowe retired because she was fearing one. >> let me pause on my thought. let's listen to more of grover norquist. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they have had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it won't be. it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10 to 1 rarb ratios on entitlement reform. i had long c
i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifting a bit here? >> i think so. i mean, to have these two senators who, you know, for the last year or so, even before the 2012 election, people were talking about a possible primary challenge, and to have chambliss and graham both go out front and say listen, the pledge isn't that important to me, that is -- that could, number one, trigger a primary contest...
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it's easy for lindsey graham and saxby chambliss to get on tv. but when it comes down to the actual vote, that's a lot harder for republicans to do, especially in the house of representatives where they can get a primary in 2014, get a lot of republicans up who could face tea party primaries. this is a small group that's jumped off the grover bridge. i'm not sure it's going to spread to everyone. >> i'm glad you mentioned that. to accurately reflect where grover is coming from, it is true that in the "wall street journal" this weekend he said, look, there are about five republican who say get quoted by the media all the time up against me where his numbers are 219 house members, 39 senators have signed. a couple may have dropped as we're reporting today, but his point is the media loves the narrative that there's a rebellion but it's not there. >> and if you look at what's happened at a granular level in the house, the number of crossover districts has gone down since the election. so in some ways house republicans have less reason to reach acros
it's easy for lindsey graham and saxby chambliss to get on tv. but when it comes down to the actual vote, that's a lot harder for republicans to do, especially in the house of representatives where they can get a primary in 2014, get a lot of republicans up who could face tea party primaries. this is a small group that's jumped off the grover bridge. i'm not sure it's going to spread to everyone. >> i'm glad you mentioned that. to accurately reflect where grover is coming from, it is true...
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if nor mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> so, jill, do you think it was that warning that motivated senator mccain to change his mind? what does he get out of it? >> you know, i think it's hard to say at this point. obviously, the president is indicating that were she to be the nominee, he would stick with her, but they're not saying that yet, and, you know, i think on this fight about benghazi right now, a lot of official advisory come forward. the dni explaining that the talking points as they're called were changed. if that reference to al qaeda was taken out. one to be an intelligence issue. i think what's happening is there is no final answer yet on everything that is concerned with benghazi until those investigations are completed, and those investigations, of course, are the fbi investigation and then also the state department's own investigation. so at this point it's not -- i don't think it's really getting a lot of traction. there's not a lot of change. you have ambassador rice coming out and saying that she raid the p
if nor mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> so, jill, do you think it was that warning that motivated senator mccain to change his mind? what does he get out of it? >> you know, i think it's hard to say at this point. obviously, the president is indicating that were she to be the nominee, he would stick with her, but they're not saying that yet, and, you know, i think on this fight about benghazi right now, a lot of official...
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but i commend saxby and lindsay graham for taking this step. i think they have -- they owe their -- i think they owe their loyalty and their allegiance to their constituents, to their country. i think they need to pledge to -- you know, like lindsey said, we're not going to go broke. it doesn't mean you don't sign a pledge or don't live up to a pledge, doesn't mean you're not against raising taxes. it just means you're not up to signing a pledge. >> but you know, we do live in the real world and you cannot imagine political ads coming out in 2014 that says something like, you know, saxby chambliss promised not to vote to raise taxes. then he did. that could happen. >> well, yeah. but here's the thing. you're talking about guys, you know, in saxby chambliss, peter king, coker, lindsey graham, who have been fiscal conservatives their entire lives. so it's very hard, i think, to make the argument. i think it's silly, also, to have this circular fire squad against good republicans who have been getting elected, and, you know, in order -- i think it
but i commend saxby and lindsay graham for taking this step. i think they have -- they owe their -- i think they owe their loyalty and their allegiance to their constituents, to their country. i think they need to pledge to -- you know, like lindsey said, we're not going to go broke. it doesn't mean you don't sign a pledge or don't live up to a pledge, doesn't mean you're not against raising taxes. it just means you're not up to signing a pledge. >> but you know, we do live in the real...